Answering Critics: The Virgin Birth and Incarnation | Let's Talk Biblical | Episode 9

if you love talking about the Bible as much as I do then I think you really enjoy this show Welcome to list talk biblical the podcast where we dig deep into the heart of scripture explore Timeless truths and have real conversations about what the Bible says and how it applies to us my name is Lex and I want to thank you for joining me on today's episode so grab your bible get comfortable and let's talk biblical there is no prophecy about the Messiah being born of a virgin do you believe Jesus was born of a virgin the Virgin birth results from a mistranslation of Isaiah you know that there's a problem there uh because the Greek translation of Isaiah 7 is not an accurate translation of what the Hebrew says what do Richard Dawkins tovia singer and Bart Man have in common Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist and a well-known atheist who rejects all religion tovia singer is a Jewish rabbi and he's well known for his anti-missionary efforts and Bart ER is a Greek scholar and Bible critic who is known for rejecting Christianity what do these three men have in common they all have an agenda to turn people away from the Christian faith today I want to look at some of the claims that these men make in their efforts to undermine Christianity and I want to respond respond to their questions and point out their false statements let's begin with Richard Dawkins and what I care about is the truth value I see no no truth value in the claims of Christianity the Virgin birth the Resurrection The Miracles do you believe in any of those do you believe Jesus was born a virgin the Virgin birth results from a mistranslation of Isaiah you know that yes Richard I absolutely believe in the Virgin birth the resurrection and the Miracles in the Bible as we consider the claims of Someone Like Richard Dawkins notice that he's pompous and demeaning towards Christianity he believes the Bible is a work of fiction and those who believe in the Bible are ignorant uneducated simpletons so he begins his question stating that he believes there is no truth value in the claims of the Bible such as the Virgin birth the resurrection and the Miracles this is because he doesn't see any value in believing in God he does this to try to make people feel dumb for believing the Bible he's using what I consider to be an fair fighting tactics in his debate there are two particular fallacies that he likes to use when debating with Christians the first is the straw man fallacy in which he misrepresents the opposing argument to make it seem easier to attack the second is an appeal to Authority fallacy in which he presents atheist scientists as Authority and in most cases he presents himself as the authority implying that if you disagree with his opinions then you're wrong he also likes to State his opinions on things as if they're facts and he presents his opinions as the standard of Truth ultimately this guy is arrogant and obnoxious and he thinks too highly of himself however I want to look at the claims he's making about the Bible and in particular about the Virgin birth of Yeshua in this clip Dawan says two things about the Virgin birth first he claims that there is no truth value in the Virgin birth second he claimed that the belief in the Virgin birth is based on a mistranslation of the book of Isaiah as we will see with all three of these men the translation of Isaiah 7:14 is the Crux of their argument so let's begin by reading that verse Isaiah 7:14 says therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign behold the Virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Emmanuel Dawan says this is a mistranslation of the verse that led to the Virgin birth Doctrine however that's not true in fact it was the other way around the gospel of Matthew quotes from this verse in Isaiah but the reason is not to form a doctrine of the Virgin birth the reason is to show that the virgin of birth was mentioned in Prophecy beforehand we need to look at the context of Matthew chapter 1 to see how this verse in Isaiah came to be connected with Yeshua Matthew 1:1 18-24 says now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows after his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit then Joseph her husband being a just man and not wanting to make her a public example was minded to put her way secretly but while he thought about these things behold an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream saying Joseph son of David do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit and she will bring forth a son and you shall call his name Yeshua or Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins so all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet saying behold the Virgin shall be with child and bear a son and they shall call his name Emanuel which is translated god with us then Joseph being aroused from his sleep did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife so we see here that while Joseph was betrothed to Mary she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit Joseph and Mary had not slept together so when he found out she was pregnant he knew the child wasn't his so he decided to end the betral secretly because he didn't want to bring shame on her but an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and told him that the child was conceived by the holy spirit this is why the writer of Matthew pointed to Isaiah 714 as being prophetically connected to this event the fact that Mary conceived a son while she was a virgin was the true event that caused Matthew to look for prophecy to support and confirm it Dawan says there's no truth in the Virgin birth but the fact that Joseph wanted to put her away shows that he had not slept with her so he knew the child wasn't his and the fact that she was pregnant while still being a virgin proves that what the angel said about the child being conceived by the Holy Spirit was true the argument that Isaiah 7 is being mistranslated here is absolutely false the Jewish scribes who translated the Greek Septuagint 200 years before Yeshua was born translated the Hebrew word Amma with the Greek word paranos the same word used here in Matthew in fact Matthew directly quoted from the subagent so to say it was a mistranslation makes no sense because it was not even translated by Matthew he simply quoted it now let's listen to what Rabbi toia singer has to say about this topic a lot of stake because if Matthew in chapter 1 vers 23 lied about this then the whole new testament loses its credibility and Christianity is is the biggest fraud that that was perpetrated the text in Isaiah 7:14 says he Alo horor behold the young woman is pregnant the ban and she's going to give birth to his son so here's a very interesting thing we can do see what Christians are arguing is that's the word Alma that means a virgin but like a married virgin this is such a scam you have no idea this is like the scam of not of the century of the last Thousand Years 2,000 years tovia singer is the king of straw man arguments he he loves to misrepresent the opposing argument and twist it into absurdity so he can sound like he has easily defeated their stance however the truth is he doesn't ever deal with the true claims that Christians are really making the clip you just heard is a perfect example of this type of fallacy tovia says that Christians argue that the word Alma means a married virgin I have never heard Christians claim the word Alma means a married virgin that's making a straw man argument he's making an UNT statement and then kicking it over to make it seem like he has the higher ground he's actually ignoring the real claims and facts that Christian Jews when dealing with the word Alma in this context the Hebrew word Alma means a young maiden or a young girl who is of marriageable age it can mean a virgin but not always the Hebrew word Betha means virgin and is often Associated alongside of Alma to show that both can be true for example in Genesis 24 we said that Rebecca is described as both Betha and Alman indicating that she was a young girl of marriageable age and that she was also a virgin Genesis 24:16 says now the young woman was very beautiful to Behold a virgin Betha no man had known her and she went down to the well and filled her picture and came up in this verse Rebecca is called a Betha but if we skip down to verse 43 we see it calls her an alma Genesis 24:43 says behold I stand by The Well of water and it shall come to pass that when the Virgin Al ma comes out to draw water and I say to her please give me a little water from your pitchure to drink we see from these two verses that Rebecca was both an alma meaning young woman and a beula meaning a virgin these terms are not identical but they do have a significant overlap a young Maiden who was not married was typically a virgin especially in the context of ancient Israel where virginity was prized and a virgin actually refers to a young woman who was not yet married however every Christian scholar and theologian I'm aware of will admit that they are not identical terms and do have slight difference in meaning in fact let me read you an excerpt from the Holan Bible dictionary on this topic to show you an example of what Christians actually say on this subject the word used in Isaiah 7:14 is is one of two words in the Old Testament that refer to a young woman the more generic Betha approximately 60 times was used to refer to virgins Genesis 24:16 Deuteronomy 2216 through1 17 maidens who have not been virgins Esther 27-19 and symbolically of Israel Jeremiah 14:17 the less common Alma approximately nine times which is used in Isaiah 7:14 likewise referred to virgins Genesis 2443 but some translators argue that it was also used to refer to maidens who were not necessarily virgins Proverbs 319 the semantic versatility of Elma does not however conclusively eliminate the possibility that vaginal conception was being conveyed in Isaiah 714 though of course the reference to Isaiah's wife would preclude that she was a virgin Alma certainly could be translated virgin and in Matthew Zeus of the text virgin would be the appropriate translation here we see Christian commentary giving an honest evaluation of the meaning of both words even showing examples of how these words are used in ways that might seem disfavorable towards either of these words strictly meaning virgin however it shows us that the context of the verse helps us understand how the word is being used this also shows us that tovia claimed that Christians say Alma means a married virgin is absolutely untrue he invented this absolutely absurd claim then easily kicks it over making himself sound like the authority but he hasn't addressed the real issues being discussed by actual Christian theologians so let me clarify that Alma refers to a young woman of marriageable age often implying virginity although not explicitly stating it Alma typically refers to a young unmarried woman who is presumed to be a virgin even though the term itself does not exclusively mean virgin these things are also discussed in this next clip by Bart Man Isaiah in the Greek translation says pretty much what I just quoted a virgin shall a virgin shall conceive and bear a son you'll call his name Emanuel but there's a there's a problem there uh because the Greek translation of Isaiah 7 is not an accurate translation of what the Hebrew says um in the Hebrew um Hebrew does have a word for Virgin uh it's the word butha and it it means a woman who's never had sex um but there's a there's another Hebrew word Alma so in English I guess it'd be a l m a h Alma Alma um means a young woman and uh many young women have never had sex uh but being an alma doesn't mean you've never had sex it just means you're a young woman so um so he does not use the word for Virgin Isaiah doesn't he used the word for young woman and moreover he indicates that the woman the young woman is already pregnant here Bart armman correctly points out that Alma means young woman and that it does not necessarily mean that she's a virgin however he claims that it was incorrectly translated into Greek as virgin using the Greek word paranos this is a sneaky deception on his part because he's not acknowledging the fact that Jewish scribes 200 years before Yeshua was born translated this verse into Greek in the subagent and these Jewish scribes who knew nothing about Yeshua thought that virgin was the correct translation of the word Al ma consider the context of Isaiah 7:14 is it a miraculous sign that a young woman would get pregnant doesn't it make more sense for the miraculous sign to be that a virgin would get pregnant however even if we translate Isaiah 7:14 as young woman and ignore the possibility that Alma could mean virgin and if we ignore the fact that the Jewish scribes translated as virgin in the Greek that doesn't affect anything concerning Yeshua being born of a virgin let me put it another way let's quote Isaiah 714 saying a young woman and see if it changes anything Isaiah 7:14 says therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign behold the young woman shall conceive and bear son and shall call his name Emanuel was Mary a young woman yes did she conceive and bear a son yes does this verse in any way invalidate the claim of the gospels that she was also a virgin no by saying she is a young woman does not invalidate the claim that she was also a virgin so when Matthew and Luke claimed that she was a virgin that does not contradict Isaiah 7:14 in any way so once again we see this is a straw man argument all three of these men are focusing on the Hebrew word Alma and making it sound like this word somehow disproves that Yeshua was born of a virgin they are ignoring the more important testimony of the gospels and trying to make the entire argument about Isaiah 7 the only reason they do this is because Matthew quotes Isaiah 7:14 in reference to Yeshua however Luke doesn't even mention Isaiah 7 in his birth narrative listen to what the Gospel of Luke says and notice that it says nothing about Isaiah Luke 1: 26 and 27 now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth to a virgin betro to a man whose name was Joseph of the House of David the virgin's name was Mary Luke 1:30 and 31 says then the angel said to her do not be afraid Mary for you have found favor with God and behold you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a son and shall call his name Yeshua or Jesus Luke 13435 says then Mary said to the angel how can this be since I do not know a man and the angel answered her and said the holy spirit will come upon you and the power of the highest will overshadow you therefore also that Holy one who is to be born will be called The Son of God and Luke 137 says for with God nothing will be impossible the facts laid out in this gospel are that Mary's a virgin who is betrothed to be married to Joseph and an angel tells her that she will conceive a son by the power of the Holy Spirit next We compare that with what Matthew says and we find out how Joseph comes into the story Matthew 1:1 18-21 says now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows after his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit then Joseph her husband being a just man and not wanting to make her a public example was minded to put her away secretly but while he thought about these things behold an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream saying Joseph son of David do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit and she will bring forth a son and you shall call his name Yeshua or Jesus for he will save his people from their sins if we stop here and ignore verse 22 which quotes Isaiah 7:14 we still see that Mary was a virgin and she conceived a son by the power of the Holy Spirit the quote from Isaiah is not necessary to prove that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Yeshua so we see that the argument put forth by Dawkins singer and man about Isaiah 7:14 being a bad translation of the word Alma doesn't change the fact that Yeshua was born of a virgin so their arguments are actually meaningless I think the more important part of Matthew quoting Isaiah 7:14 is not about if she's a virgin or a young woman but the fact that the child will be called Emmanuel meaning God With Us I believe this is also connected with Isaiah 9:6 in which it says he will be called Mighty God and everlasting father Isaiah 9:6 says For unto us a child is born unto us a son is given and the government will be upon his shoulder and his his name will be called wonderful counselor Mighty God Everlasting father Prince of Peace these prophecies show us the divine nature of the Messiah and I believe that's the significance of quoting from Isaiah in reference to Yeshua I don't think we need Isaiah 7 to prove that Mary was a virgin I believe the gospels do a good job of making that very clear so even if we go with Alma meaning young woman it doesn't affect the application of this prophecy to Yeshua being born of a virgin now that we've seen how the skeptic's arguments are meaningless I want to discuss why the Virgin birth actually matters first the Virgin birth points to the divine nature of Yeshua when the Bible calls him the Son of God it isn't being metaphorical or symbolic we already looked at how Matthew and Luke show Yeshua to be conceived by the Holy Spirit In the Womb of the Virgin Mary now consider what Mark and John say about him Mark begins his gospel by telling us that Yeshua is the Son of God Mark 1:1 says the beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the son of God a few verses later after his baptism the voice of God comes from heaven and confirms that Yeshua is the Son of God Mark 1:11 says then a voice Came From Heaven you are my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased Mark is very direct in telling us that Yeshua is the Son of God but John brings even more clarity to what this means when he tells us that Yeshua is the word of God incarnate John 1 1 4 says in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God he was in the beginning with God all things were made through him and without him nothing was made that was made in him was life and the life was the light of men John 1:14 says and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth the phrase in the beginning points us back to Genesis 1 when God created the heavens and the Earth and John explains that it was the word of God that created all things and the Word was with God and the Word was God then John tells us that the word became flesh and dwelt Among Us calling Yeshua the only begotten of the Father the term sons of God is used of other people in the Bible but John makes it clear that Yeshua is distinct as the only only begotten Son of God Yeshua is the only son born from God which is a reference to the Virgin birth described in Matthew and Luke Yeshua was begotten by God because the Holy Spirit conceived the child in the womb of the Virgin Mary however John makes it clear that Yeshua existed before the Incarnation he was with God at the beginning and Yeshua is the one who created the heavens and the Earth as the word of God we see here that Yeshua was eternally the Son of God existing with the father in the beginning but Yeshua also became a man in the Incarnation when he was born of the Virgin Mary he's always been fully God but the Incarnation makes him also fully man Paul also makes this clear in Colossians when he describes Yeshua as the image of God who created all things Colossians 1:1 15-17 says he is the image of the invisible God the firstborn over all creation for by by him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth visible and invisible whether Thrones or dominions or principalities or Powers all things were created through him and for him and he is before all things and in him all things consist this speaks of the pre-existence of Yeshua he has existed eternally with the father and Yeshua is the creator of all things next in Chapter 2 Paul gives us a warning not to be led astray by the seed of philos opers and traditions of men explaining that in Christ dwells the fullness of the godhead bodily Colossians 28:9 says beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit according to the tradition of men according to the basic principles of the world and not according to Christ for in him dwells all the fullness of the godhead bodily this is why we can say that Yeshua is fully God and fully man he was a man because he was born In the Flesh born of a woman having a human body a human mind and a human weakness but he was fully God because in him dwells the fullness of the godhead bodily therefore Yeshua is fully God and fully man the word incarnate means to make into flesh the idea is that God became flesh and dwelt as a human this is the consistent message we see in the gospels and the Epistles the book of Hebrews also points to Yeshua as the Son of God and the creator of the world Hebrews 1 1-3 says God who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets has in these last days spoken to us by his son whom he has appointed heir of all things through whom he also made the worlds who being the brightness of his glory and the express image of his person and upholding All Things by the word of his power when he had by himself purged our sins sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high Yeshua also referred to himself as being the Son of God Matthew 24:36 says but of that day and hour no one knows not even the angels of heaven but my father only Matthew 26:39 says he went a little further and fell on his face and prayed saying oh my father if it is possible let this cup pass from me nevertheless not as I will but as you will Matthew 26:53 or do you not think that I cannot now pray to my father and he will provide me with more than 12 Legions of angels Luke 23:34 then Jesus said father forgive them for they do not know what they do and they divided his garments and cast lots John 10:29 and3 says my father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of my father's hand I and my father are one John 2017 says Jesus said to her do not cling to me for I have not yet ascended to my father but go to my brethren and say to them I am ascending to my father and your father to my God and your God John 14: 7-9 says if you had known me you would have known my father also and from now on you know him and have seen him Philip said to him Lord show us the father and it is sufficient for us Jesus said to him have I been with you so long and yet you have not known me Phillip he who has seen me has seen the father so how can you say show us the father likewise Yeshua indicated that he came from Heaven John 8:23 says and he said to them you are from beneath I am from above you are of this world I am not of this world John 31213 says if I have told you of Earthly things and you do not believe how will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things no one has ascended to heaven but he who came down from heaven that is the son of man who is in heaven Yeshua even claims to share Glory with the father and that he has shared that Glory since before the world existed showing his Divine and eternal nature John 175 says and now oh Father glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was Yeshua didn't have an Earthly father because he was conceived divinely in the womb of a Virgin by the Holy Spirit Joseph raised him as a surate Earthly father but Yeshua did not come from the seed of Joseph he was adopted by Joseph notice that Joseph was the husband of Mary and Mary is called the mother of Yeshua but in a number of places Joseph is not called his father Matthew 1:16 says and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ Matthew 1:18 says now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows after his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit Luke 2:33 says and Joseph and his mother marveled at the things which were spoken of Him Luke 2:43 says when they had finished the days as they returned the boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem and Joseph and his mother did not know it Yeshua never called Joseph his father he only referred to God as his father however we do find other people calling Joseph his father or calling him the son of Joseph but notice that they are not Believers for example in John 1 we find Philip and Nathaniel calling him the son of Joseph but they just found out about him and they were not yet his disciples John 1:45 says Philip found Nathaniel and said to him we have found him of whom Moses in the law and also the prophets wrote Jesus of Nazareth the son of Joseph we also see Jews who opposed Yeshua calling him the son of Joseph John 6: 41-42 says the Jews then complained about him because he said I am the bread which came down from heaven and they said is not this Jesus the son of Joseph whose father and mother we know how is it then that he says I have come down from heaven we also see that Mary called Joseph his father Luke 2:48 says so when they saw him they were amazed and his mother said to him son why have you done this to us look your father and I have sought you anxiously we see this type of thing with adopted parents and step parents the real mother might refer to the stepfather as your father when speaking to the child and adopted parents want to be called mother and father by the children they adopt which is likely what we see in this case there's also an interesting dialogue between Yeshua and some of the people who opposed him in this conversation yes yeshu refers to God as his father but when they also refer to God as their father Yeshua explains that he proceeded forth and came from God being sent here by God John 8:38 says I speak what I have seen with my father and you do what you have seen with your father and John 8: 41-42 says you do the Deeds of your father then they said to him we were not born of fornication we have one father God Jesus said to them if God were your father you would love me for I proceeded forth and came from God nor have I come of myself but he sent me this conversation shows us that Yeshua saw God as his father in a different way than humans can regard God as their father Yeshua understand that he came from God but we were merely created by God this is why he's called the only begotten Son of God we can claim to be sons of God by adoption but Yeshua is the only begotten Son of God he wasn't adopted by God he proceeded from God and came to Earth the Virgin birth is crucial for understanding the Incarnation of Christ the Incarnation is the belief that Yeshua the second person of the Trinity also known as God the son was made flesh by being conceived in the womb of a woman the Virgin Mary the doctrine of the Incarnation entails that Yeshua is fully God and fully human this is only possible if a virgin conceived a child by the will of God if Mary became pregnant by natural human means then the child would be fully human but the child would not be divine in any way for Yeshua to have a divine nature the Virgin birth is absolutely necessary that's why Skeptics such as Richard Dawkins tovy singer and Bert ER attack the Virgin birth of Yeshua they know that if the Virgin birth is not true then Yeshua is not God incarnate but the Bible is very clear that Yeshua is the son of God that he is God incarnate that he shares Glory with the father and that he came from Heaven the Bible describes someone who rejects the deity of Yeshua as being an antichrist 1 John 2:18 says little children it is the last hour and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming even now many antichrists have come by which we know that it is the last hour in 1 John 2 22-23 says who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ he is an antichrist who denies the father and the son whoever denies the son does not have the father either he who acknowledges the son has the father also an antichrist is someone who denies that Yeshua is the Messiah or they deny that he is the Son of God the Bible also says that an antichrist denies that Yeshua came in the flesh meaning they deny the Incarnation 1 John 41-3 says beloved do not believe believe every Spirit but test the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets have gone out into the World by this you know the spirit of God every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God and this is the spirit of antichrist which you have heard was coming and is now already in the world and 2 John ver7 says for many deceivers of gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh this is a deceiver and an antichrist 2 John 9-10 says whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God He Who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the father and the son if anyone comes to you and does not bring this Doctrine do not receive him into your house nor greet him we are instructed not to be friends with some who rejects this Doctrine because they've rejected Christ people like Richard Dawkins tovia singer and Bart Man are Antichrist because they reject Yeshua they deny the deed of Yeshua and they reject the Incarnation of Yeshua we should have nothing to do with such people they are spewing lies and trying to steal your faith don't listen to their teachings don't read their books don't give them any opportunity to speak evil of Yeshua the second reason it's necessary that Yeshua be born of a virgin is because the sin nature of man is passed down from the father not the mother and it was absolutely necessary for Yeshua to be completely without sin the Bible explains that sin was passed down to All Humans from Adam and if Yeshua had a biological human father he would have inherited the sinful nature passed down from Adam Romans 5:12 says therefore just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin and thus death spread all men because all sinned and Romans 5:14 says nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam who is a type of him who was to come the Bible also tells us that Yeshua was completely sinless the Virgin birth ensured that Yeshua was born without the corruption of sin making him the perfect unblemished Lamb of God 1 John 3:5 says and you know that he was manifested to take away our sins and in him there is no sin 1 Peter 2:22 says who committed no sin nor was deceit found in his mouth 2 Corinthians 5:21 says for he made him who knew no sin be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in him for him to be sinless it was necessary that he be born of a virgin the Virgin birth and incarnation of Yeshua is essential to understanding how he could be both fully God and fully man he was conceived by the Holy Spirit affirming his divinity and born of a woman affirming his Humanity think about it if Yeshua wasn't the sinless Son of God then his death would not atone for our sins our Salvation depends on him being God incarnate Yeshua is more than a great teacher or even a prophet he's the sinless Divine Son of God and his virgin birth is a non-negotiable doctrine that affirms this truth hey friends if you've been enjoying the show and you want to help keep the conversation going then we' love your support L's talk biblical is a listener supported podcast and we couldn't do this without you your support helps keep this show running for more information about how you can support this ministry visit unlearn theel lives.com and thank you so much for being a part of let's talk biblical now that we've explored the depths of today's topic it's time to hear from you welcome to the Q&A portion of the show where you can ask questions about today's topic so post your questions in the chat and let's talk biblical all right hey guys uh so I I have a comment in here tonight it's not a really listed as a question um but uh I just wanted to pull it up it says funny thing is Dawkins can't prove anything he claims but we as God-fearing people can prove most of what we claim which is absolutely true you know Dawkins is an atheist and he believes in evolution and uh you know he he can't prove any of it he can't prove Evolution he can't prove the Big Bang um you know all of the things that he claims to believe are um just theories and in all reality they are just just theories there's no facts about them no no truth about them you he claims that he only is interested in truth um but the fact is he's not interested in truth he's interested in theory that can um that don't include God is what he's interested in actually uh okay so let me I had another one in here where did it go uh now I can't find it um there was a comment in here and uh it was non no Nick left um and I saw it earlier but now I'm not seeing it uh anyway he said that um he said that the the translation of Isaiah in the subagent was not originally in the subagent and that it was added later um by someone at a later time but that's that's actually not true and I'm going to go ahead and just pull up I did an internet search because this question I typed in is Isaiah in the suben and it say yes the book of Isaiah is in the sub tuent uh the Greek Old Testament the book of Isaiah is one of the most debated texts in subt tuent the reason it's one of the most debated texts in subt tuent is because um certain certain verses in the Greek version of Isaiah are translated differently than what the Hebrew says and um the reason for that is that uh well there's a couple of a couple reasons actually why it there may be some differences one is that the translators um maybe they felt that uh the certain Greek word fit better the context um other possibilities are that um when we look at the the Hebrew mastic text that uh is possible the Hebrew mastic text may have been altered at some point because um the Hebrew Mastic text is actually a later Edition it's newer than suban suban is actually older than the mastic text the the Hebrew Old Testament that we have access to and so um many of the differences between the seent and the Hebrew mastic text could be that the Hebrew mastic text may have been altered and um you know there's there's a number of differences variations between the two and some in the Psalms some in Jeremiah you know some of the prophets uh in various places and so uh it could be that those variations may have been changed by the Jews after the time of Yeshua because the mesaric text came around the uh I think year 700 to the year 1000 somewhere in there is when uh after yeshua's death and Resurrection about 700 years later the mastic text was uh created or copied or written and and it's possible and one of the theories is that uh some of the Jewish scribes trying to hide Yeshua um altered some of the text in the Hebrew in order to make it um in in order to hide Yeshua in some of those prophecies so that it didn't seem as obvious that it was talking about Yeshua and uh but the Greek suent which predates Yeshua it was about 200 years before Yeshua the entire old Old Testament was translated into Greek and so the the Greek septent is the the entire Old Testament and it even includes the Apocrypha which was not considered Hebrew scripture but it was still uh translated in the subagent so we have the Greek versions of those books as well but the entire Old Testament was translated into Greek in the subagent and um it predates Yeshua and so when Isaiah was translated it was 200 years before Yeshua was born when they trans translated virgin in Isaiah 7:14 um and so why would they do that uh they had obviously a reason for it they either thought the context fit it or the leading of the holy spirit in their translation LED them to that conclusion or possibly the original Hebrew did mean virgin and that has somehow over time been adopted or changed so that they uh have tried to hide that meaning over time so those are all possibilities but the suban is the Greek translation of the Old Testament the book of Isaiah is one of the most ma uh one of the major prophet prophetical writings of the Old Testament and the subagent version of Isaiah is debated because of the translators use of Greek and Theological interpretations some scholars believe that uh the translator used actualizing interpretation while other others believe that the translation is mostly literal uh the Eastern orthodics Church uses the subt tuent as the basis for translating the Old Testament into other languages uh the book of Isaiah according to the suben is available in a two volume Edition from Cambridge University and the book of Isaiah according to the spent codex alexandrias uh is available from Logos Bible Software the apostles Bible is a Modern English translation of the suban okay so that is just a quick summary of what it says if you Google is Isaiah in the sub tuent um and and now let's look at what is the subagent okay so the subagent is the Greek version of the Old Testament including the Apocrypha made for greek-speaking Jews in Egypt in the third and 2 centuries BC and adopted by early Christian churches the origin mid 16th century originally denoted the translators themselves from Latin seenus uh subu sep to aenta meaning 70 because of the tradition that it was produced under divine inspiration by 72 translators working independently and so the the myth or the story is that they had 72 translators Jewish scribes who were independently translating the Old Testament into Greek each of them did their own version of the Old Testament and then they all came together and compared all 72 versions and miraculous ly they were all identical now if that's true or not I don't know that is a myth that is a story that surrounds the creation of the seent I don't know if there's truth to it or not it's an interesting story uh but it could be it could be just folklore but um that is that is why it's called the seent because seent means 70 and there were 72 translators supposedly who all miraculously translated the entire Old Testament EXA exactly identical word for word um and so that's just kind of a brief summary of what the suban is uh let's go ahead and see what other the questions we have uh okay Mike says uh how did Joshua keep Sabbath during the siege of Jericho um are you talking about when they marched around Jericho um let's go ahead and look at that we'll go to Joshua 6 and let's go ahead and just look at it now Joshua um sorry now Jericho was securely shut up because of the children of Israel no one went in and no one came uh no one went out and no one came in and the Lord said to Joshua see I have given you uh Jericho into your hand its king and the Mighty Men of Valor you shall March around the city all you Men of War you shall go around the city once this you shall do for six days and seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams horns before the ark but the seventh day you shall March around the city seven times and the priest shall blow the trumpets it shall come to pass when they make a long blast with the Ram's Horn and when you hear the sound of the trumpet that all the people shall Shout with a great shout then the wall of the city will fall down flat and the people shall go up every man straight before him then Joshua son of nun called the priests and said to them take up the Ark of the Covenant and the Seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams horns before the Ark of the Lord and he said to the people proceed and March around the city and let him who is armed Advance before the Ark of the Lord so it was when Joshua had spoken to the people that seven priests bearing seven trumpets of ram horns before the Lord Advanced and blew the trumpets and the and the Ark of the Covenant of the Lord followed them the armed men went before the priests who blew the trumpets and the rear guard uh came after the ark while the priests continued blowing the trumpets Joshua had commanded the people saying you shall shout uh you shall not shout nor make any noise with your voice nor shall a word proceed out of your mouth until the day that I say to you shout then you shall shout so he had the Ark of the Lord Circle the city going around at once then they came into the camp and lodged in the camp Josh Rose early in the morning and the priest took up the Ark of the Lord then seven priests bearing seven trumpets Rams horns before the ark uh of the Lord went continually and blew the trumpets and armed men went before them but the rear guard came after the Ark of the Lord while the priests continued blowing the trumpets and the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp so they did for six days but it came to pass on the seventh day that they Rose early but about the dawning of the day and marched around the city seven times in the same manner on that day they marched around the city seven times and the seventh time it happened when the priest blew the trumpets that Joshua said to the people shout for the Lord is giving you the city now the city shall be doomed by the Lord to destruction it and all who are in it only Rahab the Harlot shall live she and all who are with her in the house because she hid The Messengers that were sent and You by all means abstain from the accursed things lest you become accursed when you take of the accursed things and make it to the camp uh make the camp of Israel accursed and trouble it but the silver all the silver and gold the vessels bronze and iron and consecrated to the Lord they shall come into the treasury of the Lord so the people shouted when the priest blew the trumpets and it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet and the people shouted with a great shout that the wall fell down flat then the people went up into the city every man straight before him and they took the city then they utterly destroyed all that was in the city both men and women young and old ox and sheep and donkey with the edge of the sword but Joshua had said to the two men who had spied out the country going uh go into the Harless house and from there bring out the woman and all that she has as you swore to her and the young men who had been spies went in and brought out Rahab and uh so that I I think we can go and stop at that point um so we have uh the marching around the city uh the city seven times and at some point in there we have a Sabbath and it's hard to um hard to know which day is the Sabbath but let's just assume that the seventh day listed here is the Sabbath so they March six days those are the six regular days and then the seventh day let's say that is the Sabbath day they marched around the city seven times and blew the trumpets and the wall fell down and they went in and sieged the city is that a violation of the Sabbath um I think this would fall under the same category as uh when Yeshua did things on the Sabbath and so he healed people on the Sabbath um he healed a blind man on the Sabbath he healed a [ __ ] on the Sabbath I think he healed lepers on the Sabbath if I remember right um we also see that he and his disciples uh walked through a grainfield and they uh reached out and they grabbed the the heads of grain and they gathered some grain and then they were eating it popping into their mouth and eating it and so they were eating Grain on the Sabbath which the Pharisees said was a violation of the Sabbath um he spit on the ground to make mud in order to put in the man's eye who was blind and the Pharisees said him spitting on the ground was a violation of the Sabbath making mud was a violation of the Sabbath healing someone is a violation of the Sabbath according to the Pharisees but Yeshua in all those times the response that he gave was that um he was doing the will of his father and in doing the will of his father he was not breaking the Sabbath um he also said that he is Lord of the Sabbath and has authority over the Sabbath but um his claim that he is doing the will of the father uh he also cited that the Levites work on the Sabbath and they are not um they're not guilty of breaking the Sabbath because they're they're doing work the Sabbath the Levites did lots of work on the Sabbath but they weren't breaking the Sabbath because they were doing the work of God um and so you know I I think this the same application could be made here that they were doing the will of God and the will of God was for them to march around the city seven times and blow the trumpets and Siege the city um and the idea that God would give them Victory on the Sabbath um actually makes sense because the Sabbath is the day that um is an enthronement of God it shows God's authority over all things um so we have you know six days of creation and the seventh day God rested from his work and we are to honor the Sabbath by resting well but in this case they're not resting they're marching around the city and blowing trumpets and then going to war and seizing the city um how is that resting well they're not doing regular work they're not doing the regular jobs they're doing the work of God they're doing the thing that God has asked them to do and um it's the same thing as as the Levites where they are doing work on the Sabbath uh but they're doing the work of the Lord and so by doing his work it's not a violation of the Sabbath and so that would be my response to that um if you guys have any better thoughts on that let me know in the comments okay and we have another question about Isaiah 7:14 it says isn't Isaiah 714 preserved in the Dead Sea scroll Hebrew yes it is absolutely um we have an entire uh an entire book of Isaiah uh the great Isaiah scroll is what is referred to as it is an entire book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls um and it dates to at least the 2 or 3rd Century um we don't know exactly how old it is or at least I don't know exactly how hold this some someone else might but it's at least to the 2 or third Century BC um and it does use the word Alma um which is what was referenced in uh the clips earlier that Alma means a um a young woman not necessarily a virgin and so um the the fact that it uses Alma is not the issue um the the issue is when they say that Alma cannot mean Virgin uh that's that's the problem is it can mean virgin and um it was translated into Greek as virgin um meaning that the Jews who translated the book of Isaiah into the subagent um they intentionally chose the word virgin and why did they do that um they had a reason for it and I'm assuming they had a good reason for it and uh It lines up very well with what Matthew says and so um I I think it was most likely by the leading of the holy spirit that they chose the word Virgin uh in Greek for Alma um but I think there was also proba context behind that that led them to that same conclusion that they understood that Alma can mean virgin and they looked at this as a mirac miraculous sign H that this woman would be pregnant and they thought well it's it must mean virgin because for to be miraculous she she needs to be a virgin otherwise it's pretty normal a young woman getting pregnant is not a miraculous thing um it happens all the time it happens almost daily probably uh if you consider all the people in the world I'm sure pretty much every day somebody just found out they got pregnant or somebody just conceived and maybe they don't even know it yet um and so there's every day somebody's getting pregnant somewhere and many of them are young women so that's not really miraculous but a virgin getting conceiving and having child well that is miraculous and that's only happened one time in history um it's never happened before and never happened since and that's when uh Yeshua was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary so uh but yes Isaiah 7 uh the entire book of Isaiah is preserved in the Dead Sea Scrolls in Hebrew and uh 714 says Alma um but uh you know again that is that's not really that doesn't affect the argument as I stated earlier um I uh John I'm I'm sorry U Matthew and Luke their arguments are not based on Isaiah 7 U Luke doesn't even mention Isaiah 7 and Matthew just barely mentions it at the end just as kind of like a confirmation saying well you know this this happened and it's because it's a fulfillment of what Isaiah said um it's not based on Isaiah they didn't invent the story in order to fit what Isaiah said um they they told the truth of what happened and then they looked and they realized hey this was actually spoken of by the prophet Isaiah and they applied it so um you know hopefully that helps better understand it okay e Ephraim says if Jesus is divine does that not make God two Gods uh no it does not um think about it this way we are created in the image of God uh we are not uh we we we are a multifaceted person right we have a body we have a soul we have a spirit we have a mind we have a will I mean there's all types of fets to who we are and is my mind me well yes and no is my body me well yes and no is my spirit me well yes and no um it's all of them together that make me Me My Mind by itself without the body and without the spirit is is is not me my spirit without my mind and my body is is not me uh my body without my mind and my spirit is not me it's all all three of them together make me who I am and uh we're created in the image of God well in Genesis 1 let me let me just let me just pull this up in Genesis uh we have in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth okay in John 1 it says in the beginning was the word let me let me pull that up in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God so here we have the word with God and the word is also God okay it says he was in the beginning with God who was in the beginning with God the word he it's personified and and uh given a personality all things were made through him who the word and without him nothing was made that was made and it was life and that life was the light of men and then now let's go back to Genesis 1 okay in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth he did as God the word the word who was with God the word who was God God created all things in the beginning um and let's skip down and it says uh verse two the Earth was without form of void and darkness was on the face of deep and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters well here we have the Holy Spirit the spirit of God was also present there at creation so we have father God we have the word the son and we have the spirit the holy spirit all three are present right here in the first two verses of Genesis then God said let there be light so when God spoke the word the word let there be light everything was created and so this this word is what created it God speaking the word and the word created all things the word is part of who God is uh what comes out of God is God the words that come from God is God the spirit of God is God the thoughts of God are God um and so the word came forth from God and so the word is God because it came from God and God saw the light that it was good and divided the uh God divided the light from the darkness uh God called light day and the Darkness he called night so evening and morning were the first day and we see the same pattern follows in every single day so day day two God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters and let it divide the waters from the waters so God said God spoke the word came forth and creation happened um then we go to verse n God said let the waters under the heavens be gathered together in one place and let dry ground appear God spoke the word and so the word created um 111 then God said let the Earth bring forth grass and herbs and it yield seed and uh fruit trees that yields fruit according to its kind whose seed is in itself in the earth and it was so God said God spoke the word word and the word created all things and so we see this is uh what John is saying is right there in Genesis 1 um it's not a contradiction he's not adding he's not adding to what the Bible says he is explaining what the Bible says um and then we get to let's go down and we see the same pattern all throughout here and we get to verse 26 then God said let us make man in our image according to our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea the birds of the air over the cattle and over the Earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth what's interesting about this is God is speaking to himself and he says let us create man in our image he speaking in plural he's speaking of himself in a plural form us our U our image our likeness um why is God speaking to himself in plural was because there's there's this Tri this trunity between Father Son and Holy Spirit the Father the Son and Holy Spirit we're all three present at creation and when God said let us make man in our image he was speaking to the the members of the godhead the father Son and Holy Spirit and together the godhead Father Son and Holy Spirit created man and so we see in verse 27 so God created man in his own image in the image of God he created him male and female he created them okay so he said let us make man in our image but then it says he singular created Man In His Image singular um many Jewish Scholars have said well in in verse 26 uh God was talking to the angels and Heavenly beings and he's telling them hey let let's let us make man in our image the problem is in verse 27 it doesn't say that the angels and Heavenly beings uh that that we're made in the image of heavenly beings and Angels we're not it says we're made in the image of God not in the image of heavenly beings and angs and it doesn't say that Heavenly beings and Angels helped God create man he didn't need he didn't need any help from the angels and and other heav Heavenly beings he did it all by himself so God made man in his own image not in the image of angels and Heavenly beings in the image of God God being a tripartate type being having three parts uh Father Son and Holy Spirit uh we are also tripartate type beings where we have a body and a mind and a in a spirit or a soul and so we we are a tripart being and we even see uh when God made Adam uh what he did and let's go to Genesis 2 to see what that looks like um and let's see Genesis 2:7 and the Lord God formed man of the Dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the Man became a living being and so right here we have a body that was formed out of the dust and then we have the breath of life which is also referred to as the ruach or the spirit that is put into the man and that he became a living soul and so the the living being nephesh is also a living Soul well when um in Isaiah I mean in uh uh Ecclesiastes I believe it was chapter um let's see uh it's not the verse I was looking for um but anyway it it talks about how when when you die your body returns to the the ground body returns to the Earth and your spirit or your breath your ruach returns to God who gave it well that's that's the same as what Genesis 2 says and so when when you when God created you he formed a body Out of the Dust and he breathed into it the Breath of Life the ruach the breath and you became a living Soul so you have three parts you have Body Spirit and soul when you die it says that the body returns to the dirt and that the spirit or the breath returns to God who gave it okay that's why when uh Yeshua was dying on the cross he said you know receive my spirit when uh Steven was being stoned to that he said receive my spirit um it's it's this idea that his his breath of life his spirit is leaving him it's you think about um let's just compare this with a computer so you have a uh physical device let's just you know let's just take an iPad I've got an iPad setting here we have an iPad it's got a physical device it's it's it's a physical thing it has a body right and so you have your device that has a body well on that body you have software that's the mind that's the soul that's the uh the the the memory the thoughts the um the things that make it unique mine is different than yours and so mine has different software than yours mine has different applications mine has different documents things like that so my my software on my machine is different than yours so that makes mine unique compared to yours um same as our soul is unique my my soul is unique yours we may have similar bodies um but our soul is what makes us unique but the thing that energizes it is the battery and so without a battery this thing is worthless it's just a piece of metal and the software does it no good without the battery well the battery is that Breath of Life the battery is the the the spirit is the uh the breath of life that God breathed into Adam so Adam had a body formed from the dust physical flesh body but it was lifeless until God breathed the breath of life into it and then that gave it life gave it energy gave it power to move and to function um and when it had the power to move into function it became alive and it became a living being and that's what made it a soul okay so we have three parts in who we are when we die the life the battery um the the spirit returns to God who gave it that breath of life that God gave us returns to God uh it's no longer part of us it was UN loan to us and it's no longer part of us anymore and our body which was once alive is now dead well it's put in the ground and it's buried so what what's what are we then at that point we are a corpse we are dead we are lifeless but Peter talks about how God has preserved our soul until the day of judgment okay so how has he preserved our soul maybe he maybe he ran a backup you know keep keeping with the computer uh computer software uh analogy you know you back up one device and then you can install it on a new device and have all your stuff still there you have a brand new machine but it's exactly uh has all the exact same stuff that was on your old machine because you backed it up you saved it and then you transferred it to the new machine maybe that's maybe that's a good comparison to what God is doing with our soul he's he he's saved it he's preserved it he's backed it up and so when we get the new body at the resurrection he can just download that Soul into that new body and there we are we have a brand new body that's never going to die and our soul is preserved so that we are still who we are but we have those three parts body Soul and Spirit um God is three parts also he's Father Son and Holy Spirit um and you know you think about Yeshua representing the body he is the physical form that we saw it says no one has seen God uh but the son has revealed him the son has made him known uh we are he is the express image of God um and so those are those are terms the Bible uses of him and so John says that no one has seen the father but the son has made him known Colossians says he is the express image and likeness of the father um Yeshua even told uh his disciples he said if you've seen me you've seen the father because he's the he's the representation he's the image he's the form he's the body that we see he's even called the body in 1 Corinthians 12 it says that um you know that that the body of Christ is the church and that that he is the body and that we are part of his body um and so the these same kinds of analogies are being made in reference to Yeshua um and so we think about this you know this body has a spirit well the spirit is the Holy Spirit and uh the the mind is the mind of of the father and so we have uh you know he says I I didn't come to do my will but only my father's will um he said I I do only the things that the father says to do his his mind and his will were completely submitted to the father so uh when it talks about us having the mind of Christ it's saying we would be the same way we have the same mind in us um that would be fully submitted to the Father the same way he was um but all that to say um let's go back to the question if Jesus is divine does that make does that not make two Gods no it does not make two Gods it's not like um Zeus and Hercules you know I've heard people try to make similar comparisons and they say that uh Hercules was uh you know Zeus had sex with a woman and they had this half-human half God call him demig Gods uh Offspring and he was the son of Zeus and um but he was he was a demigod he was he was not a full God he was half god well that's that's not what the the Bible is presenting um the Bible says that in Yeshua dwelt the fullness of the godhead bodily and so he was fully God he wasn't half God he was fully God all of God's fullness was in him um let's go let me let me look at Philippians um because Philippians gives us gives us pretty good um let's see okay St verse 5 let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus who being in the form of God did not consider it robbery to be equal with God now this this word here form of God um this is a word that we see in um platonic uh philosophy types of thinking and so it's this idea that we have the the form and then we have um the uh the image of the form I guess is is I I don't remember the exact term but the the reality you know in in platonic thought is that what we see here on Earth is not the real world this is just a reflection of the real world the real world is actually the spiritual realm and what's in the real word is being reflected in the physical um that's the kind of the idea of what's being proposed here when it says that he was in the form of God um that the he is he is identified with God himself another way to say it is he who being in nature was God his his very nature his Essence who he is his being is God and that he did not consider it robbery to be equal with God okay he he um he didn't he didn't consider it to be a um a theft from God to call him to be called God for Yeshua to be called God is not stealing anything from God whereas if if a human you know if you or I was to say I'm god well we are stealing from God we are stealing Glory from him that does not belong to us we are making ourself into god um Yeshua rightly was God and he wasn't stealing any Glory from God by being called God um and so that's just part of who he is but he made uh oops but he made himself of no reputation taking the form of a bonder servant so he had the form of God when he was in heaven and then he took the form of a servant when he came to Earth and he humbled himself um coming in the likeness of men so he made himself of no reputation taking the form of a bond servant and coming in the likeness of men okay so in verse six it says he was in the form of God and in the form of God it was not robbery to be called equal to God because he was God but then he took he humbled himself and he took the form of a man and came in the likeness of men being human the Incarnation God became man God took on human flesh and became a a person and being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death even the death of the Cross and so he came in the appearance of men he was not fully uh he was was not just man he was not only man he was not um only a man and this is the problem that that people want to say is that well he was just a man he wasn't just a man he was God in the form of a man he had the appearance of a man he had the likeness of a man he took on the form uh in verse S he took on the form of a man the form and likeness of a man and was in appearance he appeared like a man he looked like a man but he himself uh was actually God he he he came from God he was in the form of God in heaven and he was equal with God in heaven but he took the form and likeness of man and was found in appearance as a man therefore God has highly exalted him and given him the name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow those in heaven those on Earth and those under the Earth okay now this is uh this is a quote this is a reference and let me uh pull up another software here because I want to show you where this comes from and so we go I'm going to go to the Bible app here and let me pull that up on the screen so you can see it okay so we have the Bible app here and so we see um therefore God has also highly exalted and given the name which name that at the name of Jesus every name would bow Isaiah 4523 let's look that up uh actually let me just go and do it here Isaiah 25:43 I have sworn by myself the word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness and shall not return that to me every should bow and every sh every tongue should take an oath okay Philippians chapter 2 is quoting Isaiah 23 uh Isaiah 45:23 that every knee would bow to him to God and every tongue would take an oath or every tongue would would confess is is quoting Isaiah 45:23 and this is say this is God saying I have sworn by myself uh that to me every knee should bow but uh Philippians it says um that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and those in heaven and those on Earth and those under the Earth and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father they're confessing that his is Lord um what does that mean that he is lord they're confessing he is lord they're confessing that he is Yahweh that he is God almighty um this also we see in Romans and we're going to get into more detail on this next week as we dive into uh the deed of Yeshua um but I'm sorry Romans chapter 10 verse n here U and actually let me let me pull it up on this other so it's easier to read okay Romans 109 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead you'll be saved you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord okay and you believe that he's been raised from the dead you'll be saved well then it goes on it says um for the scripture says whoever believes in him will not be put to shame well this is um reference to Isaiah 28:16 well what does Isaiah 28:16 say let me pull that up uh okay therefore thus says the Lord God behold I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation a tried Stone a precious Cornerstone a sure Foundation whoever believes will not act hastily okay so this is uh what he's one of the things he's referencing here and then the other one um Jeremiah 17:7 blessed is a man who trusts in the Lord and whose hope is in the Lord and the word Lord there is yway and so he says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved and then we go down and uh let's see verse 11 so Romans [Music] 10 for the scripture says whoever believes on him will not be put to shame uh that is that is where Isaiah 28:16 and and Jeremiah 17 s come from whoever believes in him will will not be put to shame um and then we have verse 13 for whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved well this is also an Old Testament reference and it is um Joel chapter 2 verse 32 and so if we look at Joel 2 and verse 32 and it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord and that word there in Hebrew is Yahweh y whoever calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved for Mion in Jerusalem there shall be Deliverance as the Lord Yahweh has said among the remnant of those of whom the Lord Yahweh calls okay so when Romans 10 and verse 13 it says whoever call calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved he's quoting Joel chapter 2 where it says whoever calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved and he is applying it to Yeshua and he's saying we must believe that Yeshua is Lord right in in verse nine confess with the mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God will raise him from the dead you'll be saved and whoever believes on him Yeshua will not be put to shame and whoever calls on the name of the Lord Yahweh Yeshua will be saved okay so he's telling us that that to call Yeshua Lord to call Yeshua Yahweh is part of our Salvation we have to understand and recognize that he is Yahweh he is God incarnate and here's the thing um the New Covenant Jeremiah 31 Jeremiah 31:31 I want I want you to think about this behold the days are coming says the Lord Yahweh when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah it is Yahweh who made the Covenant with Israel and Judah and it is Yahweh who makes the New Covenant with Israel and Judah so when Yeshua at the Last Supper said this is the New Covenant in my blood he's saying he is making the New Covenant in his own blood he is making claim that he is Yahweh in Jeremiah 31:31 because it is Yahweh who makes the New Covenant Yeshua made the New Covenant in his blood and he said that he is making a new covenant in his blood Yahweh is the one who made the New Covenant and it says not according to the Covenant which I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand of lead them by the land of Egypt my which they broke though I was a husband of them says the Lord Yahweh Yahweh took them out of Egypt at Passover right out of Egypt and you'll become my people takes them out of of Egypt go to the mountain and he gives them the Ten Commandments while Moses is on the Mountain uh during that 40-day period they created a golden idol u a a golden calf and they started worshiping it they broke the Covenant though he was a husband to them okay who led them out of Egypt Yahweh who led them out of Egypt Yeshua Yeshua is the one who led them out of Egypt Yeshua is is the one who took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt Yeshua is God and um Yeshua is Yahweh Yahweh is the one who led them out of Egypt they are they're he in in John 17 he said give uh restore it 17 in John when he was praying maybe it was 14 but when he was praying he said Lord restore to me the glory which I had with you before the world was he shared Glory with the father before the creation of the world okay in Isaiah uh I believe it's 45 he says I share my glory with no one there is no other God but me there's no God but Yahweh and Yeshua and and God shares Glory with no one but yet Yeshua shares Glory with the father that shows us that he is also Yahweh that the two are one and and and you know you look at the shama here Israel the Lord Our God the Lord is one shma Israel Adonai elohenu in Hebrew is is not singular it is a plural Unity it's the same word that's used in Genesis chapter 2 when Adam and Eve become husband and wife and he says that the The man shall leave his father and mother be joined to his wife and the two shall become onead so two husband and wife become onead well in in the sh says here Israel the Lord Our God the Lord is one we have two Lords mentioned the Lord Our God and the Lord and it says he is onead and so we we have this aad uh this Unity this plural Unity is being spoken of here the word Elohim is a plural word um it's it's a plural majesty and uh it's it's showing his his plurality and his greatness and he's he's far above all other gods but when you speak of other gods you say the gods of the other nations you say the Elohim of the other nations but when you talk about the God of Israel you say the Elohim of is is same word one means a plural plurality of gods the the gods of the the pagans because they have many gods the other is a plural of majesty and it's a singular God it's a monotheistic religion that we have one God Yahweh but he has a plural of majesty and he exists as Father Son and Holy Spirit and so um saying that Yeshua is God as your question said uh saying that Yeshua is is God or he is divine does not make two Gods um and like I said we're going to talk more about this next week um as we as we dive into the deed of Yeshua and I think that's a good time to actually introduce you to the teaser for next week come back next week as we dive deeper into the deity of Yeshua and Tackle one of the most important topics in theology was Yeshua truly Divine is he worthy of worship what does the Bible say about his nature and why does it matter for our faith join us as we explore the 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